this is a RARE episode of plant liker podcast. it's the first time i have interviewed someone else! i talk to alli simone defeo—a poet, visual artist, and one of my best friends. here are the topics and segments:

0:00 - intro.
2:05 - 3 poems by alli simone defeo.
3:07 - smiley faces and "positivity" in relation to hurt and trauma.
10:24 - the functions of art.
14:17 - alli's year as a traveling artist, and how they afforded it.
29:24 - shitty things that cis people often do.
36:18 - when people say gender-neutral pronouns are "unnatural."

please go buy alli's book i love you here's a gigantic worm from 2fast2house.com, and consider supporting their patreon at patreon.com/bff. thank you for listening!